The Wrong Pricing – Missed Opportunities

As edocr.com continues to grow, it has become essential for us to adopt the right tools that will make our lives operationally little bit easier. Now is the time for us to leave spreadsheets and move on to products that will bring structure to a very chaotic environment. Two tools will be key to this strategy of operational simplification.

Customer Relationship Management (CRM)

We have adopted Contact Manager from Salesforce.com, which is affordable and versatile enough for our needs. And we know that as edocr.com grows, we have a path for increasing the CRM functionality to match with our future needs. In addition, we see salesforce.com as a strategic partner, so it makes sense for us to also be using their products, vice versa.

Accounts

Having used Winweb for a brief period, we are now trialling Xero, a SaaS product from one of our growing customer base. I love the simplicity and the design and yet to fully test it. My gut feel says this is the right product for us. And these days, I put lot of trust in to my gut feel.

Alignment

Ideally, we love our own database of users and customers to be in sync with CRM and accounts products we have adopted. So integration and free availability of APIs are fundamental to achieve this. I have been a keen advocate to see Xero and Salesforce.com establish the ability to data exchange.

It was good to hear from Tony Rule of Xero yesterday that they have infact gone live with the integration

Pricing Dilemma

Let’s take a brief look at the costs involved for one seat license across both products for one year.

  • Salesforce.com contact manager = £36 (we have subscribed for 2 seats)
  • Xero = £144 to £228 – the more expensive option is suitable for edocr.com

Here is the problem. For me to benefit from having synchronisation of customer data across saleforce.com and Xero, I would need to upgrade my account to either:

  • Salesforce.com enterprise (£1,020) or unlimited edition (£2,040) (where API is part of the licence) or
  • Salesforce.com professional edition (£540 plus more) (where API is not part of the licence but you can add it at extra cost).

Conclusion

The combine cost of subscribing to Xero and Salesforce.com now needs to go up from an affordable £264 to over £1000 to achieve integration. This is clearly not an acceptable situation for us. I love to comment more on this aspect, but as I have a half written post on pricing strategies, I think I should better leave it till then, other than to say, at this stage, we would have to operate without synchronisation. Just to add salt to the wound, products like JavelinCRM and Xero can achieve true synchronisation without any additional spend!

  • http://twitter.com/ManojRanaweera ManojRanaweera

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  • http://twitter.com/manojranaweera manojranaweera

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  • http://twitter.com/ManojRanaweera ManojRanaweera

    @timbarker @TeamXero @garyturner @duncanstockdill @dahowlett love to see your comments against http://bit.ly/5uFcRB

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  • http://twitter.com/manojranaweera manojranaweera

    @justinpirie any thoughts on this http://bit.ly/5uFcRB leave a comment please. Wish #Disqus would capture the tweets!

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  • http://twitter.com/ManojRanaweera ManojRanaweera

    @DT do leave your thoughts here please http://bit.ly/5uFcRB

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  • http://twitter.com/manojranaweera manojranaweera

    @martineley you might be interested in commenting on this http://bit.ly/5uFcRB #sfdc

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  • http://twitter.com/duncanstockdill duncanstockdill

    Salesforce only integrates with the cloud if you have big pockets http://bit.ly/5uFcRB . what about #smbiz ? #fail

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  • http://www.accmanpro.com/2010/01/07/does-salesforce-com-pricing-continue-to-appeal/ Does Salesforce.com pricing continue to appeal?

    [...] Manoj Ranaweera questions that. Referring to the Xero integration, he says: The combine cost of subscribing to Xero and Salesforce.com now needs to go up from an affordable £264 to over £1000 to achieve integration. This is clearly not an acceptable situation for us. [...]

  • http://twitter.com/greggdourgarian greggdourgarian

    Cost of Salesforce goes up more than 300% when you try to get integration http://bit.ly/7ldXj1 #SFDC #CRM #SayNoToPiecemeal

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  • http://twitter.com/DT David Terrar

    That's quite a dilemma. This kind of integration is essential, but the providers have to get the pricing right for micro and small businesses. The integration topic is going to become a key battleground in 2010 for SaaS and Cloud companies as we all get our act together and our customers want more complete solutions.

  • ManojRanaweera

    At one hand, salesforce.com have reduced the price of Contact Manager to entice micro businesses such as mine, but on the other hand they have put a stumbling block by charging for API and other functionality which should be available within the cheaper priced products. Time to re-innovate salesforce.com pricing strategy, and find another way to differentiate between product sets

  • duncanstockdill

    With respect to Salesforce, I think it's a mistake to leave integration out of the version of Salesforce targeted at small businesses. The cloud really starts to add value when applications in the cloud integrate with each other. The small business web (http://thesmallbusinessweb.com/) was set up to promote the idea that small business should have access to high quality, connected and open solutions and it would be great to see Salesforce get behind this too.

    We've been busy the past year integrating Javelin CRM to our customers favorite small business web apps such as Xero and while it's not easy, our customers definitely appreciate it.

  • http://www.justinpirie.com Justin Pirie

    #fail indeed…

  • ManojRanaweera

    Duncan, thanks for the heads up on Small Business Web. Just applied to be a member.

  • garyturner

    Great that you feel good about Xero, not so great that Salesforce's API costs are getting in the way of your integration requirements.

    I'll forward on your comments to my contacts at Salesforce and see what they come back with.

  • http://twitter.com/CRMAlert CRMAlert

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  • ManojRanaweera

    Point well made about the origins of SFDC. Having just completed Marc Benioff’s book, it does not make sense for them to penalise small businesses with locking up the API. I actually think this is historical rather than tactical. Surely, it cannot be a strategic decision given the openness of force.com. The more we discuss this point, the better chance we have of changing their minds!

    I am sure they do not want to find themselves in a scenario where force.com is used to built an app simply to integrate with a third party CRM due to integrating costs with SFDC.

    This comment was originally posted on AccMan

  • http://twitter.com/jasonlk Jason M. Lemkin

    I’ve thought a lot about this Dennis as both a SFDC customer and partner for 4+ years. I think what I’ve learned is this: SFDC pricing is both cheap, expensive and clever. At the low end, for VSBs who have never used CRM, Contact Manager and Group edition ($5-$17/mo) are very cost-effective (much cheaper than WebEx or GoToMeeting or even eFax). This is how we started — one seat of what is now called Group edition

    However, if you want to truly run your corporate business processes (not just your contacts, but your workflows and sales-related business processes) on Salesforce.com, you’re going to later upgrade to at least Professional. Then, realistically, SFDC will flip from a pretty cheap app to the most expensive SaaS purchase an SMB will likely make on a per-seat basis. SFDC then has to deliver a lot of value. The reality is, it does — ONCE you base your entire business on it (workflow, support, dashboards, analytics, SOPS, etc.)

    As a data point supporting this hypothesis, we’ve also been on AppExchange for 4+ years and I think we’ve received only a handful of queries about using EchoSign for SFDC Group edition. This can’t be b/c EchoSign isn’t appealing to SMBs – 80% of our customers are SMBs. Rather, I suspect it’s because those who buy Group edition (which is cheap) are only looking for a rather basic point solution for contact management, and don’t really get into APIs, add-ons, platform, etc.

    This comment was originally posted on AccMan

  • http://twitter.com/justinpirie justinpirie

    I think it’s sorted- prob was here: http://bit.ly/81McFe RT @disqus: @justinpirie @manojranaweera Can you link me to the post? @giannii

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  • http://twitter.com/dahowlett Dennis Howlett

    @jason – that’s an excellent point. It seems a pity that so many SMB’s (as you’re experiencing it as partner) are not really ‘getting’ the value of integration. Perhaps if more did then SFdC could be more flexible. The value argument is critical. I wonder how well SFdC articulates this. Not so well it seems.

    This comment was originally posted on AccMan

  • Anonymous

    Pricing of salesforce in my point of view is very high especially for small business, maybe that’s why  we decided to swith to some affordable software like http://workforcetrack.com

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